Join the world’s greatest fellowship of players in the award-winning online re-creation of J. R. R. Tolkien’s legendary Middle-earth.
User reviews: Very Positive (2,857 reviews)
Release Date: Jun 6, 2012

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"The Lord of the Rings Online (commonly abbreviated to LOTRO, LotRO) is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) and Free-to-Play!"
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November 5

Update 15 – Gondor Aflame

Experience the new race-class: the Beorning.
Troubled times now force Beorn’s Kin out of hiding to join with the Free Peoples in their final stand against Sauron. Channel aspects of the bear as you fight alongside your allies: the strength of the Hide, the ferocity of the Claw, or the inspiration of the Roar. Build your wrath and decimate your foes with the new Beorning Class!

The Dawnless Day Looms over Central Gondor

Ringló Vale
Drive back Saruon’s encroaching shadow. Dangerous creatures spilling from the mountains have brought pain and suffering to this once-peaceful vale. The change and fear in the air only emphasizes that it is now your responsibility to be the Beacon of Hope in this difficult time.

Dor-en-Ernil
Stabilize Aragorn’s war effort. Raids from Corsairs and their frightening Half-troll allies have thrown the supply chains into chaos. Face off against these towering enemies and locate the missing leaders, if they even yet live.

Lebennin
Make ready for the siege of Pelargir! Ally yourself with the Rivermaidens, powerful water-spirits who keep watch over the waterways. Prepare a foothold for Aragorn’s vanguard to launch their assault on the occupied port city.

New: Retaking Pelargir
Take up arms in the first-ever offensive Epic Battle! Fight alongside elite warriors as Isildur’s heir seeks to drive Sauron’s allies from Pelargir. Utilize the skills you honed at Helm’s Deep to retake the strategic port for the Free Peoples.

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EN: Update 15 Release notes
FR: Update 15 Release notes
DE: Update 15 Release notes

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September 15

LOTRO Update 14.2 - The Dead Marshes

The Dead Marshes
• The Steward of Gondor has sent Artamir, son of Ilcamir, to the Dead Marshes on a mysterious errand. Unfriendly eyes have tracked him to that vile swamp, and your quest is to hurry him on before his presence causes great mischief to another important mission…

• Did Frodo and Sam come this way? After concluding Artamir’s story, engage in a sessionplay experience to learn what befell the two hobbits as they crossed the Dead Marshes in the company of their treacherous guide…

New Collection system!
• Track your collections of steeds, pets, even different chickens and other objects throughout all of Middle-earth!

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English: Update 14.2 Release Notes
French: Update 14.2 Release Notes
German: Update 14.2 Release Notes

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Reviews

“The stunning visuals and the gorgeous realisation of a much-loved fantasy world are simply second to none in this genre; the brilliant storytelling and incredibly dramatic scripted events, equally, stand apart from the competition in every way.”
Eurogamer
“a sublime MMO experience”
Gamespy
“Gorgeous vistas, atmosphere and details continue to bring this game alive.”
IGN

About This Game

In The Lord of the Rings Online™, join the world’s greatest fellowship of players in the award-winning online re-creation of J. R. R. Tolkien’s legendary Middle-earth. From the crumbling, shadowed ruins of Weathertop to the ageless, golden wood of Lothlórien, immerse yourself in Middle-earth as you have never seen it before. Visit the peaceful, verdant fields of the Shire, brave the dark depths of the Mines of Moria, and raise a pint at the Prancing Pony in Bree!

Key Features:


  • Explore the Massive World of Middle-earth: Immerse yourself in the award-winning recreation of the beloved fantasy world of J.R.R. Tolkien through renowned locations including the Shire, the Mines of Moria, and Lothlórien.
  • Create & Advance Your Hero: Advance to level 75 with thousands of character customization possibilities. 4 races, 9 classes, 10 professions, 7 vocations, plus over 1,000 titles, skills and traits
  • Solo & Co-op Skirmishes: Dive into instant adventure alongside friends or customizable AI soldiers in exciting, scalable battles!
  • Legendary Items: Design and customize your own legendary weapons of immense power like Bilbo’s Sting or Gandalf’s Glamdring!
  • Play as a Monster: Fight as a servant of Sauron against other players in intense PvMP Combat!
  • Craft Your Own Gear: Farm crops in the fertile fields of the Shire or let your hammer ring in the Dwarven halls Ered Luin.
  • Free Online Play: No monthly fees required.

System Requirements

Windows
Mac OS X
    Minimum:
    • OS: Windows XP (Service Pack 2)
    • Processor: Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz or AMD Equivalent
    • Memory: 1GB (2GB for Windows Vista)
    • Hard Disk Space: 12 GB (+3 GB for international clients)
    • Video Card: at least 128MB Onboard graphics memory
    • DirectX®: 9.0c
    • Internet Connection: Cable or DSL Connection
    Recommended:
    • OS: Windows Vista 64-bit
    • Processor: Dual Core 2.66 GHZ
    • Memory: 2 GB
    • Hard Disk Space: 20 GB (+3 GB for international Clients)
    • Video Card: 512MB dedicated discrete card
    • DirectX®: 9.0c
    • Internet Connection: Cable or DSL Connection
    Minimum
    • OS: 10.7.5
    • Processor: 2.0 GHz Intel Core i5
    • Memory: 2 GB
    • Hard Disk Space: 25 GB of available space
    • Video Card: Intel HD Graphics 3000 or better
    • Sound: Integrated Sound
    Recommended
    • OS: 10.7.5
    • Processor: 2.0 GHz Intel Core i7
    • Memory: 4 GB
    • Hard Disk Space: 25 GB of available space
    • Video Card: nVidia GeForce GT 650M or better
    • Sound: Integrated Sound
Helpful customer reviews
241 of 267 people (90%) found this review helpful
168.8 hrs on record
Posted: October 5
Day 43, the Dwarves still dont know i'm a Hobbit in heavy armor. Only thing they complain about is my "weak beard".
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100 of 120 people (83%) found this review helpful
37.3 hrs on record
Posted: October 25
Amazing Game, Friendly Community, and It also convinced me to be a LOTR fan
The World is Massive and full of Adventure
Although you can play alone, It's a crack ton of fun when you play with a fellowship
Plus, There are no trolls ruining your game
Best MMO I've ever played
20 pop tarts out of 16 oreos
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236 of 331 people (71%) found this review helpful
584.2 hrs on record
Posted: August 6
I would have recommended this game a year or two ago. But they keep adding stupid ways to get people to pay and complicate the game. They keep adding several new things to character development and makes it so complicated i wouldn't even bother with learning it just so they can get you to spend more cash to unlock upgrades in them. They break promises about the main questline remaining F2P. Quality of quests are also dropping.

In short: AVOID, this game was good but now it's just becoming a pay to win fest.
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159 of 220 people (72%) found this review helpful
353.2 hrs on record
Posted: November 1
As a fan of the LOTR series, this game is pretty damn good for those who are heavilyyyyyyy invested in the series. Those who read the books will not be disappointed. Those who watched the movies? You'll probably be confused but eventually you'll get along just fine with the story.

The story is amazing for this game. The storytelling, your character's involvement, it's all amazing.

From an f2p standpoint, this game is definitely friendlier than other MMORPGs that offer f2p. (SWTOR and WoW, I point my finger at you. They're both really great games, but f2ps get rather shafted by the services that are provided.)

At the same time, however, there are 100 levels to grind through, and if you're f2p, you're REALLY screwed. Yes, everyone can get to 100, but f2ps will have a hard time come around the level 20-25 area when sidequests become unavailable, as they require a pack. What does that mean? That means that for every region of the game past level 20-25 will only have the storyquestline, nothing more. And the story quest line, just like all other MMORPG's, only give you so much XP.

So where does that leave you? That leaves you to purchase either a region for it's quest (Worth or not worth depending on which quest pack you buy) or to buy a bunch of XP boosts (Somewhat worth, but that's a lot of dough...)

That being said, I'm an RPer. I like to RP. This game has a pretty damn good RP community. If you're an RPer and a fan of the LOTR series, you won't be disappointed as long as you join an RP server.

Most people say this game is "Pay-To-Win", but it really isn't. Competitive play in this game is rather limited, which Turbine has decided to implement PvMP to try and compensate for this loss, or "Player vs Monster Player", WHICH you can only get to at a really high level (75, I believe).

Time is a huge factor in this game. You really need to grind skirmishes (equivalent of raids or dungeons) in order to level up if you're f2p.

So overall, I wouldn't recommend the game to non-RPers. It just doesn't really seem worth it to me. However, if you ARE an RPer, then I would definitely recommend it.
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46 of 51 people (90%) found this review helpful
1,274.4 hrs on record
Posted: November 5
A well-balanced mmorpg based on the works of Tolkien. You'll recognise many places and people from the novels (or movies).
Until recently I played, very happily, as F2P. There are several regions which have their quests unlocked and other quest packs and services can be unlocked using Turbine Points which can be easily gained ingame by completing deeds.
A lot of people pay for 1 months VIP subscription for the permanent unlocks it gives, but I love the game so much I decided to go VIP to put some money back into a game that satisfies all my mmo needs. Awesome cosmetic/wardrobe options, great crafting system, beautiful places to explore and I love achievements & titles!
I haven't covered the raiding/endgame or PVM (player vs monster) as I haven't been involved with those. But the PVM, where you can create a monster race player & fight other players in the Ettenmoors sounds like a lot of fun.
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55 of 71 people (77%) found this review helpful
9.1 hrs on record
Posted: October 16
I will start off with a few good points as to why i would recommend this game (Only slightly) to people who enjoy mmos with a already created universe. The game does a pretty good job at recreating the lotr universe of Middle-Earth or at least it did at one point. For you see it would seem the worlds are almost empty, If you are thinking of just playing cusually then get ready to grind like hell to get the turpine points to buy most of the items you need in-game. For example you need turpine points to buy the riding skill early game and alot of the other good cosmetic items, but dont get me wrong i like how you can actually get the coins with out having to pay real money it will just take a long time to get them. With the Semi pay-to-win out of the way there is the problem of the servers drying up, beacuse if you are wanting to get into this game now unless you are starting with someone get ready to walk the halls alone. There are a good amount of pros and cons to cover aslso

-Pros
-well crafted maps
-decent gaming community
-not entirely pay-to-win
-story with an interesting twist
-crafting is rather good

-Cons
-close to empty servers
-lots of grinding for "turbine points"
-some glitches (though what games don't)
-armour doesn't have the greatest apeal in the looks

The lists can go on for both but that is always up to the indivual person, because i have found you can't always go off of reviews you have to figure out if you like the game yourself. That being said i wrote this just to educate the people who might want to start playing this game and hopefully turbine might see this and lay off the pay-to-win a little but. So all in all it is rather fun, i guess i might have something to do with my love for Lotr.
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133 of 208 people (64%) found this review helpful
243.1 hrs on record
Posted: July 29
This game has had many ups and downs but that's what you get when you have a F2P game that used to be P2P. My personal favorite part of the game is there is absolutely NO requirement to spend real life money to get everything the game has to offer. Just grind the turbine points, if you dont know how, then the great and powerful google has all the answers. Definitely give it a try, you can't go wrong.
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29 of 33 people (88%) found this review helpful
106.9 hrs on record
Posted: October 13
LotRO is a free-to-play (f2p) game that is set in the world of Middle-earth which was created by the Father of Modern Fantasy himself, J.R.R Tolkien. LotRO (Lord of the Rings Online) is as it's name suggests - it is based around the time of the Lord of the Rings and features a lot of the War of the Ring. First of all, let me talk about races and classes. There are four races which are Elves, Dwarves, Hobbits and the Race of Men which you get to decide on when your making your own character. Then there are the nine classes: Burglar, Captain, Champion, Hunter, Guardian, Lore-master, Minstrel, Rune-keeper and Warden (the last two you need to pay with turbine points or get via Mines of Moria expansion though). The game throws you into the tutorial (not litterally :P) and into it's main storyline.

Depending on what race you choose you are in the tutorial (Dwarves and Elves go to Thorin's Halls, Men and Hobbits go to Archet). And once you complete the tutorial, it is pretty much a free world for you. You can craft on LotRO (litterally some players - all they ever do is craft), you can quest and level or do the epic quests (there's other stuff too but they are the main stuff). Throughout LotRO, you become a hero-of-sorts. You are in the background of the main events and have your own story to tell and act out as you fight the evils of the Witch King, Saruman and Sauron. Overall, I really recommend the game to all Middle-earth fans or a fan of MMOs. Of course, the game does have some problems such as PvMP. Give the game a try but I do have to note that you do need a bit of patience as at the start it (may) seem a little boring but becomes more fun and interesting after about the first 20 levels (isn't that much and hard to get too). So, yeah I give the gaves a thumbs up and 4 out of 5 stars.
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28 of 32 people (88%) found this review helpful
114.8 hrs on record
Posted: November 2
PROS
-Middle-Earth atmosphere, which is loyal to the original books, not the movies (we can see Radagast, Thranduil, Thorin etc. Even Tom Bombadil!)
-Crafting system
-Quests are rarely mediocre.
-Good at Raids, Dungeons and Events

CONS
-COMBAT SYSTEM!
-Ask for real money too much.
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139 of 221 people (63%) found this review helpful
17.6 hrs on record
Posted: July 1
This game is pretty fun, but I found that in order to have a really good time you need to buy the new worlds.

It's full of action, adventure, and you can make a lot of new friends that can help you in hard parts of this game.

I found you can also earn points to buy the worlds by playing the game, which makes it a fun challenge.

I also love that you can kill the goblins, trolls, minions, etc.

Good game overall!
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101 of 160 people (63%) found this review helpful
504.1 hrs on record
Posted: July 29
Sometimes the best thing in the world is a quiet walk from Michel Delving to Bywater. Absolutely worth it just for that.
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21 of 24 people (88%) found this review helpful
1,310.6 hrs on record
Posted: August 30
From a player that's played this game since release back in 2007, playing across 3 servers, founder account, over 15,000 hours logged over the years. I can tell you that my feelings for this game are very genuine and it's taken me a good two months to write this review after leaving the game.

I'll be honest, the game truly has fallen from what it used to be, it's become, let's say, easy from what I remember years ago. Angmar content is probably on par with what vanilla WoW was for me, The massive amount of meticulousness that had to go into every single character that you had. From the start of character creation, you were in danger of getting absolutely smacked by landscape mobs if you were a certain class and pulled mobs badly (I'm looking at you hunter). The way you had to play a class was very different from launch than it is now, and I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all, things change, just me reminiscing over times long past. This is just the tip of the iceberg so to say.

Now, on to the content. The developing team behind LOTRO has put out content consistently that appealed to the audiences up to Rise of Isengard, which in my opinion, was one of the best expansions I've ever played in any MMO. The content before and including Isengard (Angmar, Mines of Moria, Seige of Mirkwood) are incredible, everything from the instances, zones, questing, down to the ambient sounds, it was amazing. Now this basically talking about the expansions as a whole, (I consider Angmar an expansion in this list, but it was vanilla content more or less) but the zones in between the major content areas were amazing as well, North Downs, Lothlorien, Evendim, Enedwraith, If you have never experienced the night in Forochel, you are missing on one of the most amazing game sceneries ever. Great instance designs in all of this content, from forging into Carn Dum with your friends and overcoming the managerie of bosses and Mordirith, to conquering places like Barad Guldur and the Tower of Isen along with toppling Saruman in an incredible battle atop the tower itself. Many many memories will never be forgotten that pertain to such events that took place in the game.

Alas, many new players will never get to experience this content simply because the game has progressed far beyond all of this. Most of the players that I met during my final year and a half or so were players that were there to rush to level cap and do "end-game", that's the joke kids, there is no end-game. All it is at level cap is a daily grind for your daily reputation factions for that "highest tier raiding set" that you will never put to serious use because most of the players that play the game now will NOT run content that will challenge them. It's that simple, I led pug tier 2 challenge runs on my main server of Windfola for years for players not in raiding guilds, and people would rather run Sambrog 6 man spams for crap rewards than spending a little more time in a bigger, more challenging instance for big reward. It pained me to see that the game populace had declined to such a lazy group of "give it to me without the challenge" group of people, because let's be honest, anyone that played in vanilla LOTRO can tell you how bloody hard it was, JUST to get your resistances right to actually stand a chance in Carn Dum, let alone actually fighting the bosses. But don't be let down, there are groups of players on many servers on both EU and NA that play around the level of that old content when it was released so they can specifically run that content and have it challenge them, they are great people and they organize themselves in server world chats and forums still.


Now on to the "current" content. After Isengard, the game started to decline, Rohan was a let down for most players, the introduction of mounted combat looked fun on paper, it was ok, but it was buggy, and it never really fit in with most players. The landscape was pretty for a bit, but you got used to the rolling plains. The instances were sadly a joke in terms of difficulty, aside from the raids in that cluster for the expansion, the three raids that were introduced were pretty fun and challenging at the highest difficulty of tier 2 challenge, Fires of Smaug and Battle for Erebor were great fun, but the third, Flight to the Lonely Mountain was pretty much impossible at release because it was buggy, it got fixed, but far to late for such a simple problem. Then you had the the most outrageous rep grind in the form of Hytbold reconstruction, something that would take around a solid month to complete if you were very diligent about your dailies, something that had to be done to aquire your level 85 class set pieces. It wasn't the worst thing ever, but the real knife in the back really came with the area expansion of Wildemore with the atrocious rep grind at the end of finishing every quest in the zone, it was terrible, an everyone that I knew hated it, and it was all for a shiny epic accessory piece that didn't mean a whole lot.

After this Helms Deep released, Big Battles came with it, I won't go into detail about it, but it was something to see, especially as a player from the beginning. All the classes were redone, traits were completely overhauled into tree progression, basically the game was stripped and redone in most aspects. No new instances were included, no raids, nothing except the battles that most hated, I did my progression through them, did A LOT of bug report testing for them over the months, some say to this day that they are still buggy. When they released update 14 I called it quits, said my goodbyes to many, and uninstalled.

As for players that really enjoy playing PvP, I STRONGLY recommend you watch videos and visit the official LOTRO forums and read through the PvMP threads. Personally, I think the community for PvP is toxic and players are simply looking for who has the bigger E-Peen at any given time. On any server you will find flavor of the month players that jump from class to class every update so they can destroy you with minimal effort, it's just terrible habits that a fair amount of them have and it's nasty, one of the main reasons that led to me leaving the game, considering there really is no PvE endgame anymore.

Now, don't get me wrong I will recommend this game to anyone that every asks me about it, it's very good looking, classes play pretty well, questing isn't a total bore, crafting can be ok, there is amazing RP opportunity. Just remember that this game has been around for a good while and is going through it's decline because of recent content release, but there are still servers with 200+ player login, people still play this game, I leave it up to you to decide whether to drop subscription money to do a large amount of things that this game has to offer in terms of content. I've made many dear friends because of this game, maybe you will as well.

As for the players that have never progressed anywhere near the end of a character's leveling path and experienced a large amount of this game, they truly have no opinion of the game. They haven't gone through anything that would give them any right to judge the game in any way shape or form, it hurts greatly when I read a review from someone that hasn't even logged an hour and down votes this game.

Aa' lasser en lle coia orn n' omenta gurtha
(May the leaves of your life tree never turn brown) :)
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25 of 32 people (78%) found this review helpful
31.4 hrs on record
Posted: September 25
Most accurate hobbit simulator ever.
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27 of 38 people (71%) found this review helpful
393.2 hrs on record
Posted: September 24
I’m playing with an increasingly miserable lvl 58 elf huntress.
She wants to see all of Middle Earth, but she won’t. Because I am broke.

I feel like writing this review in caps lock and yelling at the top of my lungs “pay to win pay to win pay to win”.
To think I used to have so much fun playing this game.

Middle Earth is beautiful. Beginnings are sweet as you’re not engaged in battles straight away. You start in Eriador, and exact place depends on which race you chose to play with. Crafting is soothing, exploring is fun, everything looks amazing. When you get a horse, things get a lot easier and you find yourself immersed into the world and enjoying it so much. It leaves you curious for other parts of Middle Earth and you want to level up to enjoy them all. Music is great too and fits every scenery beautifully.

But then, around levels 20-30 you realize you need to purchase a quest pack to play the next area on the map. So you do that, still being into the game. Then you grind grind grind, until you face the same thing again. So you buy another area. And so on. Thing is, I didn’t even mind purchasing packs to see more. What I really did mind though, is how boring and repetitive quests became while levelling in parallel became increasingly harder and frustrating. I'm starting to think the best way to play this game is getting a horse and just riding like there's no tomorrow until you reach Mordor. Noro lim Asfaloth, noro liiiiiim!

Unless on top of all those purchases you want to buy experience tomes. Thanks Turbine, but no thanks.

Community used to be better too, but I’m guessing a lot of people left for which I can’t really blame them.

Also in walks my biggest regret, and that’s starting my toon on a non RP server which is extremely boring and has very little activity. However, if you do the same mistake and want to try other server with the same toon, Turbine offers you to transfer it for 20 €. What a surprise, I think I'll get a heart attack.

Still, there were times when I was so desperate I was willing to put all that aside and give it another shot. Then server started crashing. Guess it’s not meant to be, Lotro.
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19 of 24 people (79%) found this review helpful
207.1 hrs on record
Posted: October 8
While the game itself isnt that great, what keeps bringing me back to LOTRO is the community, never met a more freindly community then the community surrounding LOTRO
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15 of 18 people (83%) found this review helpful
97.9 hrs on record
Posted: October 11
To anyone who is a fan of lotr books or movie it is great because you can roam the world and it is based off the book and is accurate but is also difficult to level past 32 if you have no quest pack
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11 of 11 people (100%) found this review helpful
30.1 hrs on record
Posted: September 25
As a veteran of MMOs (and MUDs before that) I would have to recommend this game for several reason.

-F2P: Its actually free to play. The RMT (real money trade) store items are mostly cosmetic. There are some that effect gameplay convenience wise. However, the RMT currency (Turbine Points) can be also earned in game in many different ways. Basically, the game gives you RMT currency as a side result of playing.

-The Community. The community is not the typical MMO trollfest. MOST players you come across are more than willing to lend a hand, give advice or even (sometimes) free items etc. They are very friendly and generally tend to help the new players out.

-Social MMO. Despite this game having boatloads of grindy combat like any other MMO, there are many unique social aspects to this game. Making/playing your own musical instruments in a band, player/guild housing etc.

-Massive world. The gameworld in this is rather big. While certain areas are locked out until you purchase the expansion, there are equivalent zones for the free (budget) player.

-Customer Support is very ... human. And tends to be helpful with the player rather than absolute sticklers to policy.

-Mounted Combat/Legendary Weapons/Raids/Dungeons/Crafting/Typical MMO stuff etc., etc.,

CONS:

-I had performance issues on my budget laptop. The game can get very laggy with xpacs and infusion of players.

-WoW ruined any mmo without flying mounts ><

TL:DR give it a spin if you like mmos. While it doesn't break any new ground in the genre it is a solid game with unique social aspects.
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14 of 17 people (82%) found this review helpful
286.5 hrs on record
Posted: October 12
8/10
It has it flaws, it gets grindy at times, but the storytelling and the landscapes are superb
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10 of 10 people (100%) found this review helpful
798.4 hrs on record
Posted: August 26
This game is perfect for people who like to roleplay and are searching for a place to rp in Middle-Earth, most of the players are mature and respectful and i have enjoyed the time i have played it, very worth playing
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23 of 34 people (68%) found this review helpful
6.5 hrs on record
Posted: October 18
I played Lotro for 4-6 years....I tried returning a few weeks ago only to find literally the very game i had loved so much to be backtracked and burned to stupidity and dumbed down horribly...the classes are no longer classes v.v . It has become dead because of the stupid shit they keep doing honestly there used to be so much potential for the game and the developers and stuff always took it for granted and every expansion after Mines of Moria or Siege of Mirkwood or any content was disappointment after disappointment and they never cared to listen to any of the real voices of the game they basicly molded it now to be a stupid thing.... Lord of the rings doesn't deserve to be like this, I wish it could be redone back to how it was originally retouched graphics wise and have a crap ton of new features like boats/ships, swimming underwater. More including of PvP and playable "Monsters" cus kinda think it'd be cool to be a goblin >.> but meh...no instead they kept adding recolored and the same thing over and over :/, I would advise not to unless you just want to take in the views of each area considering most of it you have to unlock to quest in with grinded Turbine points or having purchased it all.



I'll always remember Lotro, my favorite instance was Garth Agarwen back when it took a full group of 6 back when things were hard and you felt accomplished after succeeding the higher you leveled.

If Possible I would love for this game to go back to how it was originally and then new features added and just a mass overhaul that J.R.R. Tolkiens world is worthy of, instead of the garbage money grab its become :(
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