Three Heroes make their way through dangers untold in a fairytale world, featuring physics-based puzzles, beautiful sights and online co-op.
User reviews: Overwhelmingly Positive (8,993 reviews)
Release Date: Jun 6, 2013

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"A gorgeous fairy-tale of an action platformer with 3 unique characters. Shines best in co-op as each hero uses different abilities to help the others."
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November 27, 2014

Trine 2 Custom Maps and Sale!

Last month we released our Editor on Steam, which made possible for users to create and share levels to Trine. There are editors available to both Trine Enchanted Edition and Trine 2: Complete Story.

And now, there are a lot of great community made maps on the Steam Workshop, which is awesome! So, go check them out if you haven't already. We also made a video to highlight some of our moments playing the custom maps, check out the short trailer below. Special thanks to the players who made the levels!
If you can't figure out how to download or enable mods, you can find the instructions from our Wiki as well as other tips about custom levels.

Hopefully we'll see new amazing custom levels in the future too! :)

Note also that Trine 2 and Trine are also on nice -85% sale on Steam, if you or your friends still don't own them.

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October 16, 2014

Trine & Trine 2 Editor Release and Free Weekend

We are now officially releasing the Trine Editors on Steam for Windows. We also patched some minor gameplay issues.

Some of you have already gotten a chance to try the editors through the Steam Beta, but now they are out for everyone to try! We have released two separate editors that each come bundled with their respective game; Trine Enchanted Edition and Trine 2. Even though the Editors look quite similar, they do have some differences - so if you have questions, please remember to specify which editor you are using. :)

The Editors may take a while to learn how to use, so they might not be for everyone - but do give them a try and see if you are up for it! The Editors are very diverse tools that allow you to edit existing maps, create whole new maps and share your creations with others through the Steam Workshop. We're really excited to see what you guys can come up with!

Check out the "How to Get Started" section below for useful tips and links on how to help you get going. :) We'll also be happy to answer editor-related questions; you can email those to our Support, post your questions to our blog or in the Steam Community Discussions (links below).

One last note: since the Editors are now officially released, it's recommended that those who were participating in the Beta now opt out of it to ensure they'll get all the latest updates. This is easy to do by right-clicking the games in your Steam Library, choosing Properties and navigating to the BETAS tab. The option to opt out of beta programs should be available in the drop-down menu. Remember to do this for both games.

To celebrate the official release of the editors for Trine Enchanted Edition and Trine 2, both games are free on Steam this weekend 16th-19th of October. The games are freely available for everyone to install and play through their Steam Library for the duration of this weekend - so remember to tell all your friends who've always wanted to try the Trine games, but have not done so yet! Since we are now officially releasing the Trine Editors for Windows, you'll get to try them for free as well. :)

The games are also available for purchase for a juicy sale, 80% off until Monday 20th! Both Trine games support both local and online co-op for up to three people*, so gather your friends and have fun with Trine!
*NOTE: Trine 2: Complete Story is available for Windows, Mac and Linux and has full local and online co-op support. Trine Enchanted Edition is currently only available for Windows (Mac and Linux versions are being developed), so the Mac version of Trine does not support online co-op (but does have a local co-op option!) and the Linux version of Trine is not yet available through Steam.

Frozenbyte Editors: How to Get Started
Please read before trying out the editors!

That should be enough talk for a while, right? We hope you enjoy the free weekend and have fun playing and experimenting with the editors. Don't hesitate to ask any question either here, by email or in the Steam Community (links above). Have a great and Trine-filled weekend! :)

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About This Game

Trine 2 is a sidescrolling game of action, puzzles and platforming where you play as one of Three Heroes who make their way through dangers untold in a fantastical fairytale world.

Join Amadeus the Wizard, Pontius the Knight and Zoya the Thief in their adventure full of friendship, magic and betrayal.

Trine 2: Complete Story fully integrates the Goblin Menace expansion campaign and the all-new unlockable Dwarven Caverns level into one mighty fairytale. All owners of Trine 2: Goblin Menace are automatically upgraded to the Complete Story edition.

Key Features

  • Complete Story edition features the all-new unlockable Dwarven Caverns level that takes our heroes on a journey through deep and dark lava-filled tunnels resonating with ancient legends
  • 20 levels chock-full of adventure, physics-based puzzles, hazards, enemies and contraptions.
  • 3 Heroes – Amadeus the Wizard, Pontius the Knight and Zoya the Thief, each with their own skills – and personalities charming and otherwise
  • Choose new skills to aid the heroes in their quest; fight dragon fire with fire arrows or turn your goblin enemies to ice, fly across chasms with the Kitesail Shield, levitate monsters to great heights and then trap them in a box, or slow down the game world with the time-bending gravity bubble!
  • Travel through beautiful vistas and environments (sometimes using extremely unreliable methods of transportation), including a castle by the treacherous sea, a burning desert, snowy ice mountains, all the way to the insides of a giant worm
  • Accessible for both casual and core gamers
  • Online and local co-op with up to three players
  • Save anywhere to play as long or short sessions as you like and use the Unlimited Character Mode and Game+ for additional replay value
  • Superb graphics with next-gen visuals use impressive technical effects, immerse yourself in the fantastical fairytale world full of magic and wonder
  • Hidden collectibles for extra adventuring
  • Fun and challenging achievements to unlock
  • Amazing 27-track soundtrack composed by the acclaimed Ari Pulkkinen
  • Full language support for English, French, German and Spanish, and optional subtitling for more than 10 languages
  • Supports NVIDIA 3D Vision

Trine 2 Soundtrack and Artbook Edition

Digital Artbook with commentary by Trine 2 artists highlighting the design of levels, enemies, buildings and many environments. Also features an exclusive look at material not used in the final game.

Soundtrack by award-winning Ari Pulkkinen, featuring 21 tracks from Trine 2 in MP3 format with a total length of 57 minutes.

The Digital Artbook will be placed in your Trine 2 folder in the Steam directory:
...Steam\steamapps\common\Trine 2\Artbook
The Soundtrack will be placed in your Trine 2 folder in the Steam directory:
...Steam\steamapps\common\Trine 2\Soundtrack

System Requirements

Mac OS X
SteamOS + Linux
    • OS: Windows 8 / 7 / Vista / XP
    • Processor: 2.0 GHz CPU (Dual Core recommended)
    • Memory: 1 GB
    • Hard Disk Space: 4.5 GB
    • Video Card: ATi Radeon HD 2400 or NVIDIA GeForce 7600 or better (Shader Model 3.0 needs to be supported)
    • DirectX®: 9.0c
    • Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible
    • Additional: *Please note that Trine 2 may not run on most Intel graphics solutions used in 2004-2009. The game does run on new (2010-) Intel HD Graphics 3000 or better.
    • OS: OS X version Lion 10.7, or later.
    • Processor: Intel Mac
    • Memory: 1 GB RAM
    • Hard Disk Space: 4.0 GB
    • Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600M or better / ATi Radeon 2400 or better*

      *NOTE: Please be advised that Trine 2 does not run on Intel graphics solutions used in 2006-2008. The game does run on new (2010-) Intel HD Graphics 3000 or better. Macs with NVIDIA GeForce 9400M or ATi Radeon X1600 may not achieve smooth gameplay.
    • Additional: Keyboard, Mouse/Trackpad with Secondary click enabled
    • OS: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
    • Processor: 2.2 GHz CPU
    • Memory: 1 GB
    • Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 2400 or NVIDIA GeForce 7600 or better
    • Hard Drive: 4.0 GB
    • OpenGL: 2.1
    • OS: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
    • Processor: 2.2 GHz CPU
    • Memory: 1 GB
    • Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 2400 or NVIDIA GeForce 7600 or better (OpenGL 2.1 needs to be supported)
    • Hard Drive: 4.0 GB
    • OpenGL: 2.1
    • Additional: Trine 2 runs best with proprietary drivers and may not function correctly with open source drivers.
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115 of 125 people (92%) found this review helpful
1 person found this review funny
17.7 hrs on record
Posted: November 8, 2014
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+ stunning lighting atmosphere
+ pretty animations
+ countless details
+ great backgrounds

+ dreamlike graphic style
+ imaginative fantasy world
+ heroes commend the game situation

+ good english speakers
+ fabulous music
+ good sound effects
- bad german speakers

+ three difficulty levels
+ several ways to solve a puzzle
+ fair enemys
+ fair checkpoints
- puzzles and jumps relatively undemanding

Weapons & Extras:
+ individual talent tree for each character
+ many collecting extras
+ different equipment

Game Size:
+ coop mode
+ thanks secrets high replayability
+ playtime around 10 hours

Level Design:
+ varied locations
+ good mix between action and thinking
+ very detailed

Your embodies one of the three heroes Pontius, in his knight, the thief Zoya and Amadeus, magicians and wimp before the Lord, a triumvirate of legendary heroes summoned by the mysterious Trine to eradicate a growing evil leaking its dark influence across the world from deep within the Enchanted Forest.
The primary arc of events revolve around assisting a princess in finding and destroying a goblin king. There are hints scattered around levels in the forms of books and notes that expand the story of the princess and the relationship with her sister.
It is not until the last few levels that the game remembers that it was presenting a story to players. The story can best be described as a subtle underlaying to the gameplay that simply offers extra inncentive to complete each level.

What makes Trine 2, but the puzzles with which our hero group is confronted. The puzzles are based on the previous model: Each of the drawing has different skills that we need to combine clever.

- Pontius is a knight of course responsible for properly what to give opponents on the cap.
With his shield but it can also protect the troops or divert fluids before bullets. Add to that his war hammer, he may even throw later to break down fragile walls.

- Amadeus can conjure out of nowhere thanks to his magical gift boxes and planks. He also makes objects float and later even opponents, to use as a shield - completely defenseless the witcher is not so. Especially as monsters die when Amadeus can fall on your head them boulders. And lava pits are just as deadly as our trio of heroes for the nasty goblins. Who uses his surroundings, his opponent can get rid of some very amusing way.

- Zoya is the ranged combat expert of the Force. With her bow she can take distant or entrenched adversary targeted. During the game, we also get to fire explosive arrows and Ice Arrows to freeze the opponent. However, Zoya's greatest strength is her grappling hook, with which they can hold on to wooden objects.

Back to how great it looks! Each new area you pass through along the journey is eye-catching enough to make you pause to take it all in for a moment -- and there are a lot of them over the roughly eight hours of play time. From castles to forests, swamps to caves, tropical islands to fiery and icy wastes, each is distinct and terrifically detailed with artistic flair, and populated by amazing creatures like a giant frog, carnivorous plants, and even a dragon. The lively flute 'n lute music and a kindly British narrator put a finishing touch on this expertly crafted fantasy atmosphere.

To an extent, the same can be said for the sound effects and music, which also exhibit high quality and creativity. Environments have believable ambience with insects chirping and water flowing in the forest, and wind howling and thunder echoing through the craggy reefs of a stormy beach. Weapons make appropriate clashes, clangs, and pings in battle, and objects react to each other with realistic sounds. There’s nothing to complain about here, and the soundtrack has no downside either.
It matches the tone of the game with a full orchestra playing lively, upbeat, fun songs to accompany the gameplay, whether you're solving a puzzle or fighting a group of goblins.

Trine 2: Complete Story is still a brilliantly charming game. The sound package is also excellent, although I'd be lying if I said it was as amazing as the visuals. Simply put, it's an exemplary indie game that has the makings of a blockbuster title.

Score: 83 / 100

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40 of 51 people (78%) found this review helpful
1 person found this review funny
15.6 hrs on record
Posted: October 21, 2014
Game has a pleasant atmosphere and is pretty easy, but still fun. Perfect game to play with a girlfriend
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42 of 58 people (72%) found this review helpful
18 people found this review funny
1.2 hrs on record
Posted: October 7, 2014
I've been Trine 2 get into this game for a while
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23 of 27 people (85%) found this review helpful
2 people found this review funny
2,943.4 hrs on record
Posted: October 29, 2014
I'm still addict to this one with it's gameplay and background musics.
There are plenty tutorial's on youtube about how to pass levels and achievements.
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18 of 20 people (90%) found this review helpful
46.9 hrs on record
Posted: October 13, 2014
If you like puzzle games, highly recommended. Beautiful art, fun story, challenging puzzles. Sit down with a drink on a rainy day and play this game.
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16 of 19 people (84%) found this review helpful
2 people found this review funny
6.9 hrs on record
Posted: September 25, 2014
The most magical experience I have ever had in a video game!

Gorgeous visuals that make you sit and contemplate dieing because you want to look into the landscape.

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11 of 11 people (100%) found this review helpful
8.2 hrs on record
Posted: November 3, 2014
Trine 2 is a gorgeous, fun game that I would wholeheartedly recommend, even though I am not someone who normally enjoys puzzle games. The world is vibrant and colorful, with great music and fun, if simple, characters to go along with it. It is a light-hearted, relaxing, fun game with a lot of charm. The puzzles were fun and I had a good laugh with my co-op partner. We trolled each other and had quite a few memorable moments playing the game. I feel like the wizard was the most well-thought out character in the game and that the thief and knight didn't get quite as much attention as the wizard, but this is a very minor nitpick. Playing the thief and the knight wasn't a bore; I mostly played the thief during my playthrough and still had a ton of fun. The puzzles were creative, but not frustrating. I found myself laughing at the silly mistakes we made more often than not.
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9 of 9 people (100%) found this review helpful
38.9 hrs on record
Posted: October 20, 2014
4.5 out of 5

One of the best co-op games you'll ever play.

Out of all the games I've called beautiful, this game is the pinnacle of beauty. But even if it was as ugly as sin I would recommend this, because it's one of the best co-op experiences you'll have on the PC.

Taking on a knight, wizard and a swinging thief, you dive into the beautiful world of Trine solving puzzles and laughing at the mishaps and physics amusement that occur. Not so fun as a single player, but still worth a buy.
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7 of 7 people (100%) found this review helpful
13.8 hrs on record
Posted: September 14, 2014
I finished the "Complete Story" version of Trine2, which is an extended version of the regular Trine2. The extra content ("Gobling Menace DLC") is almost of the same size and the original, and it's equally nice, maybe even prettier! It took me about 13hrs to beat the whole game, and it wasn't particularly difficult, especially when you get the hang of it.

Gameplay: It's essentially a puzzle platform game, with a bit of action (battles) at some points. You have three characters (fighter, mage & rogue archetypes) that you switch to any time during play; each character has unique abilities that will help you get through the various puzzles you come across. Each level of the game (there are about 20 levels for the "Complete Story") has about 10-15 puzzles to complete, with save/checkpoints every one or two. Most puzzles are typically "get to the right of the screen" type, over chasms or mechanisms or beating foes, and can usually be solved in a multitude of different ways. The puzzles weren't too challenging, and some of them might be a little repetitive, i.e. you could easily go through them using "standard" techniques. There's also hints to get you going, if you're stuck on a puzzle for too long. I played with WASD keys + mouse, and there are also some more keyboard shortcuts; controls were quite simple to learn & master and I encountered no problem. No glitches or weird bugs fell to my attention, and the physics engine of the game was quite robust.

Theme/Graphics/Sound: The story is all set in a fairy-tale world, which some might find a bit "underaged" (as if it's meant for children, i.e. far from "mature"), but I didn't mind that so much. The graphics are ASTOUNDING, computer-made but beautiful, and fleshed in 3D even if the game is essentially 2D. Lighting and other visual effects are particularly well done and there's some pretty animations at the end of each level. There's a great variety of "worlds" you're going to have to go through: from dark dungeons to ice-caverns, to jungles, to deserts, to floating-islands, even to the belly of a giant beast! Each is rendered in a very pretty and unique style. The three heroes (along with the narrator and some other characters) are very well voiced, all along the story and at each level. The music is nice too, although I can't state anything special about it.

Overall: Recommended, if you like puzzle-platform games that aren't too difficulty. The graphics are also a BIG plus to this game. You might wanna pass this, if you don't like fairy-tale settings or puzzles :)
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6 of 6 people (100%) found this review helpful
6.1 hrs on record
Posted: October 19, 2014
The short length of the campaign and a few overly challenging puzzles are minor blemishes in an overall entertaining and worthwhile experience. Fans of the side-scrolling and platform genres need not look elsewhere, Trine 2 offers a wealth of truly innovative puzzles that are a welcome getaway from the current market of repeated genre titles.
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6 of 6 people (100%) found this review helpful
12.4 hrs on record
Posted: December 19, 2014
Visuals - 10/10
Story - 9/10
Music - 9/10
Gameplay - 9/10

Overall, a very entertaining and satisfying game.
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5 of 5 people (100%) found this review helpful
37.4 hrs on record
Posted: September 20, 2014
"Beauty is power; a smile is its sword."

Trine 2 represents a 2-D jump & run adventure game with impressive artwork, beautiful design and sophisticated puzzles. As already introduced in the original Trine you can switch on the fly between three different characters, a knight, thief and wizard (still no fireballs). It is also the basis for the great puzzle system this game offers, and the multitude of possibilities to solve each one of them.

The balance between combat and puzzle sections leave no room for boredom. And the adjustable level of difficulty gives newcomers and veterans a fair chance to prove their abilities. Furthermore the multiplayer adds some extra life to the game, as the experience is genuinely different.

The DLC in form of Goblin Menace adds a couple new levels, a new story, and several new skills which will also be available in the original game.

Overall Trine 2 feels more refined than its predecessor and the beautiful artwork in combination with the creative puzzle sections are very persuasive and entertaining. In addition it offers enough content to justify itself as a worthy sequel to Trine.

Fun fact: Due to relatively poor sales for Trine 2 on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, the conversion for the expansion for these consoles was deemed not be cost effective, thus Trine 2: Goblin Menace was never released for these platforms.

My rating system consists of five categories in descending order of importance:

- Atmosphere
- Details
- Puzzles
- Story
- Combat & Controls

Based on the performance each category will receive one of the following grading:

- S-Rank: excellent
- A-Rank: very good
- B-Rank: solid
- C-Rank: satisfactory
- D-Rank: inferior

If the S-Rank is awarded, a quote from the game or personal comment will be added as a token of my respect (in brackets).

Atmosphere: A-Rank

Details: S-Rank

(It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.)

Puzzles: S-Rank

(To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often.)

Story: B-Rank

Combat & Controls: A-Rank [with a gamepad]

To conquer all achievements of Trine 2, you will most likely spend around 40 hours.

There are several multiplayer achievements, which can be easily obtained with two people.

Should you have any questions about the different achievements, please feel free to contact me.

Achievement difficulty: 6 of 10

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Trine 2 (PC) – 2-D adventure game + Jump & Run + Puzzles
(Fantasy) – 2012
Trine (PC) – 2-D adventure game + Jump & Run + Puzzles
(Fantasy) – 2009
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5 of 5 people (100%) found this review helpful
1.9 hrs on record
Posted: September 18, 2014
This is the most gorgeous looking game i've ever played in my entire life.

It got a really amazing soundtrack that fits with the game perfectly.

The story is well-writen.

The combat is really well done with the Knight.

The puzzles are quite easy but that doesn't take away the gorgeous looks of the game.

Well if you love 2.5D side scrollers yer probally love this one.
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5 of 5 people (100%) found this review helpful
54.9 hrs on record
Posted: November 5, 2014
This game is brilliant!
The atmosphere and graphics are truly amazing!
Can be utterly frustrating and equally rewarding when you get pass that seemingly impossible part of the level.

Sometimes this game can be easy, sometimes nearly impossible, especially if you're determined to get the Master Collector achivement.
Not sure about the replayability though, unless you're after the achievements.

Trine 3 must be in development, please!
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5 of 5 people (100%) found this review helpful
108.8 hrs on record
Posted: November 22, 2014
Trine 2 is the definition of what a plaformer should be. The graphics are top notch with great lighting. The fluidity of the animation and controls are perfect so that while some of the puzzle sections may be difficult at times they are never blamed on the slick controls. The levels are long enough to be enjoyable and not too long where they get boring. Each level offers a variety of landscapes and scenery, all of which are beautiful. The storyline is forgettable, but still sets up a good reason for why you are playing the game. The three different characters offer very different ways of playing and each offer different ways to solve the puzzles. Think of it as an action only version of Quest for Glory where each character has a different solution to each puzzle. The addition of the Goblin Menace, the Dwarven Carverns and now the Workshop has helped expand and continue the gameplay of this fabulous series. The best part of this game is the multiplayer offering. Now with online multiplayer, this game truly shines when playing with two or more players.

The price for this game, when on sale is typically under $4 for the entire complete story. Take advantage and don't miss this great game. Bound to be a classic in gaming history.
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6 of 7 people (86%) found this review helpful
1 person found this review funny
61.4 hrs on record
Posted: January 15
An incredible game. The original Trine was awesome, but Trine 2 managed to significantly improve what was already a fantastic game. The major improvements over the original in order of significance: online co-op. Need I say more? The ability to save mid-level (cannot stress enough how much I appreciate); combat - while the mechanics are the same, enemies are much more challenging, compelling and aesthetically interesting. I enjoyed combat in the original, but repeatedly killing skeleton soldiers wasn't all that gratifying; puzzles - after only a few levels I noted that the puzzles seemed slightly more challenging than those in the original. Perhaps this is a trade-off for the ability to save mid-level. Whatever the case, I found the overall difficulty to be about perfect. I also loved the new environmental additions, such as water that makes plants grow, etc. Great stuff.; graphics/art design - the original Trine was a gorgeous game and yet the sequel is noticeably more visually stunning. Probably the single prettiest game I've ever played.
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6 of 7 people (86%) found this review helpful
9.3 hrs on record
Posted: October 11, 2014
For me is a good fantasye game and those who love puzzles will find this game awesome
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6 of 7 people (86%) found this review helpful
21.5 hrs on record
Posted: October 7, 2014
Beautiful graphics, really fun to play co-op, good music.
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4 of 4 people (100%) found this review helpful
7.4 hrs on record
Posted: October 12, 2014
First thing I noticed was that this game has very beautiful graphics. It is a 2D platformer, but it looks so dynamic and magical. I enjoyed a big part of the game almost only because of the graphics. It enhanced it, let's put it that way.

The gameplay is good as well. There is some action and you have to solve some puzzles to get further in the level. The combat is simple, and not overwhelming. Some puzzles are simple, others are quite difficult to solve. The co-op mode is good as well. You play basicly the same levels, but now with two characters. I doesn't make it easier at some points, because you really need to help each other. So it makes it really interactive.

The story is nice as well. The characters are good, they are well involved in the story, not just observing people who don't interact at all.

Really, I don't have anything negative to tell about Trine 2. I just love this game, it is fun to solo, and fun to play with a friend. I would recommend it to everyone. It is on sale quite often, so you can save a lot of money on that.

My rating for this game: 8/10
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4 of 4 people (100%) found this review helpful
8.4 hrs on record
Posted: October 19, 2014
Interesting physics based puzzles and platforming. A fine dime when it comes to visual appeal. Nothing negative to say, nothing at all. 10/10
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